Now, Now kids, play nice. Here is a website where you can read it for free, but if you want to download you have to pay for it.http://www.scribd.com/doc/40379838/The-Gentile-Times-Reconsidered
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Gentile Times Reconsidered PDF free from publisher
by wannabefree ini just discovered this today, perhaps it has already been discussed, so forgive me if this is a repeat.. this is on carl olof jonsson's website, not an illegal download.. gentile times reconsidered 4th edition.
http://kristenfrihet.se/english/gtr4/contents.htm [link replaced after wannabefree checked the copyright - lady lee].
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A couple of Jehovah Witness stumpers! Add some if you like
by TheNurseInBlack inthese are some questions that i ask the jehovah witnesses.
i hope you find them useful .
disclaimer: these are questions i found on the iternet and from other sources of research.
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Newly Enlightened
Here's a stumper my husband & I just came across.... If you look in the front of your NWT at when the books of the bible were written, Ezekiel FINISHED writing his prophecies in 591 bce. If you use WTBT$ date of 607 B.C.E, then that means he was NOT a prophet, but simply writing history down that Jerusalem HAD been destroyed. It's a catch-22, either he was a prophet and finished his writings BEFORE the destruction of Jerusalem [which would make it after 591 B.C.E] or he's a false prophet and was just writing history after the fact. HUMMMMMMMM In the following article from the WT, the prophecies had been written and distributed to the public. another HMMMMMMM
From the 56/WT 3/1 pg 146 pp7:
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Finally 2,562 years ago the Davidic dynasty became dormant when King Zedekiah was deposed and the throne was declared unoccupied in 607 B.C. By this time all the prophecy of Isaiah and most of the communications through Ezekiel and Jeremiah and some of the minor prophets had been proclaimed and released for public distribution. This flood of prophetic truths pertained to the fall and restoration of Jerusalem and was spiritual food indeed for the minds and hearts of the faithful minority of Israel. While these prophecies had their miniature fulfillments upon fleshly Israel, yet longer shadows were cast of good to be fulfilled in later times to a far more glorious spiritual Israel of God. Then through the prophet Daniel came heavenly prophetic truths concerning the rise and fall of the Gentile kingdoms leading to the time when the New World kingdom of Messiah would appear on the global scene to break in pieces and consume all these old-world kingdoms. In victorious vindication this kingdom would stand forever. Then 2,397 years ago the last of the Hebrew Scriptures was written, Malachi’s prophecy, setting forth truths as to Jehovah’s coming to the temple for judgment in company with His “angel of the covenant” to arrange for a cleansed priesthood to lead in pure worship for the new world.—Ezek. 21:27; Gal. 6:16; Mal. 3:1,Da.
You decide.
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I'm writing a DA letter...need advise
by nolongerconfused inhello, so i have decided to da myself and will write a da letter to the body of elders.... do you have any ideas of what i can include in this letter or samples?...
i really want to make a huge impact with this letter.. i appreciate your help everyone....
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Newly Enlightened
Sorry Greybeard, I didn't see your post above before I made my comment.
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I'm writing a DA letter...need advise
by nolongerconfused inhello, so i have decided to da myself and will write a da letter to the body of elders.... do you have any ideas of what i can include in this letter or samples?...
i really want to make a huge impact with this letter.. i appreciate your help everyone....
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Newly Enlightened
Hi Nolongerconfused, I know that this is very difficult for you and emotional. I don't know if you have read the latest at http://www.jwstruggle.com/
But Gregg/Greybeard just posted a very heart wrenching article and a copy of his letter to the Elders & WTBT$.
Peace be with you and so happy you are coming out of the man-made organization.
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Unbelievable Assertion!!!!!!!
by The Searcher inwe had our special assembly day this weekend.. what the district overseer stated in his talk totally stunned me, and made me feel sick to my stomach.
he said, "christ is directing us through the governing body, and we cannot get holy spirit except through them!".
i do not wish to reveal all my thoughts on his statement, but i pray to god that it acts as a wake-up call to at least some of the audience.. suffice to say that the gb is now the mediator to our mediator, and from now on, i will have to pray for holy spirit through the name of the gb!!.
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Newly Enlightened
The talk from the 2012 District convention about our 'Spiritual Mother' was posted on Youtube. You will find the link below.
When I mentioned this to my cousin who is an elder he said that I must have misheard it. He then went to his personal audio recording and admitted that 'Yes, it was said, but like the Ethiopian Eunich, we do need someone to teach us." I told him that I have been in the 'truth' for 49 yrs, at what point do we stop sucking on the milk and study the word of God for ourselves?
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Newly Enlightened
Gentile Times reconsidered. A must read for anyone interested in the WTS 607/Gentile Times B.S Then I'm going to start on Ray Franz's 2 nd book In Search of Christian Freedom.
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Over 4 months, still no response to this letter to the elders!
by Greybeard inhi everyone, its been over 4 months and i have not heard a response from the elders.
i called one of them a few weeks back.
he said they sent it to bethel and haven't heard back yet.
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Newly Enlightened
Sorry to hear about your troubles Greybeard. We will pray for you & your family.
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Fake money in contribution boxes
by enigma1863 insomeone posted a great idea i felt should have its own discussion thread.
i think it would be really cool if we could get people around the country or world to donate fake money in the contribution boxes that have thought provoking messages.
kinda like money tracts.
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Newly Enlightened
Only if you're sending something illegal thru the mail.
Or trying to commit a fraud using the U.S.P.S
Dumb enough to use your personal mailbox to send them out
and put a return address on them
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Fake money in contribution boxes
by enigma1863 insomeone posted a great idea i felt should have its own discussion thread.
i think it would be really cool if we could get people around the country or world to donate fake money in the contribution boxes that have thought provoking messages.
kinda like money tracts.
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Newly Enlightened
I just printed up a bunch of those checks and will be sending them in. And in an act of rebellion, my cousin who is an elder in our congregation had gone to Costco a few years ago bought a box of 1,000 envelopes and a 100 stamps and gave them to me to do letter writing field service.
Now I am going to take all those stamps and envelopes and flood the WTBT$ with a 100 of these checks & fake bills
If anyone else wishes to use that idea and join me in an act of rebellion I WELCOME you and your support in my rebellion....In fact I think that I will start a new topic about our rebellion against the WTBT$
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Discussion with family member who is an Elder in our congregation
by Newly Enlightened inso about a week ago, i showed my cousin & her husband [an elder in our congregation] the picture on pg 29 of our 4/15/2013 study wt and asked, "if jesus is head of the congregation then where is he?".
after several minutes of searching, dead silence.. i then asked if they had heard the part on the 2012 summer district conv the part about "our spiritual mother, where the c.o said that "the bible by itself does not shine thru as life-giving truths just by itself.
" they were shocked and said that i must have misheard it because that would be apostasy.
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I was actually on the phone with him for 1 1/2 hours, but didn't want to write everything in a 'War & Peace novel' haha But the reason he called me was not only to tell me that he had heard the DC talk say that, but asked me if they had sent the letter to me that the Catholic Church is sending around to their priests. I don't know if this is world wide, this country, or only in our state, But I told him that they had not sent it to me, but would like it. in this letter the CC is telling their priests NOT to use the name Jehovah in their sermons anymore becasue it is an invented name. So I asked Cousin Elder: Me: Have you ever done any research in the name Jehovah? E: Yes, I know that it's not God's name Me: Then why use it? E: Because that is the most popular form and we really don't know the true name of God Me: Then we should at least Yahweh since it's at least closer to the tetragramaton. Would you read an article from the Catholic website about the name Jehovah if I sent you the link? E: Yes I will Me: They even mention Jehovah's Witnesses in there E: In a negative way? Me: No, nothing negative, just that JW's have even taken that name for themselves when it's an invented name by a Dominican Monk Here's the link I sent him: http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-gods-name-yahweh-or-jehovah We'll see. If I can just get him to think of 1 little thing that may not be true. Hopefully he'll read those things I sent him and think. I also sent them the link to the Guardian magazine article about WTBT$ being a member of the U.N